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[personal profile] giandujakiss
Only watch this movie if you're committed to sobbing uncontrollably through the final half hour.

Seriously, it's dated, but even 80 years later it packs a wallop. I can't think of any movie that's affected me this deeply where no one dies, is injured, or even placed in any kind of physical jeopardy.

Has anyone written anything comparing Imitation of Life (1934), Stella Dallas (1937), and Mildred Pierce (1945)? It's like the same story told three different ways, with slightly different shading. (Edit: It turns out there totally is analysis, not necessarily of these 3 films in particular, but the genre has a name: maternal melodrama!)

Also, I'm reminded - in the 1930s and 1940s, movies were about women. When did we lose that?

Date: 2017-07-14 05:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cesperanza
Marlon Brando.

Date: 2017-07-14 05:41 pm (UTC)
sasha_feather: Retro-style poster of skier on pluto.   (Default)
From: [personal profile] sasha_feather
I looked up the Hollywood code and it started earlier than I thought-- 1934.

Date: 2017-07-14 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] niqaeli
In one of of those bitter ironies? Around the time the Code started to dissolve in effectiveness. When it finally fully dissolved and the MPAA rating system was devised, it was now possible to put back in all sex and violence, so they did, to the severe detriment of the writing of women in film. Women were allowed to be explicitly sexual, so that is ALL they were allowed to be. Prior, you had to do something more with the women other than doll them up or there wasn't a film to be had that would both pass Code and be watchable enough to make money.

(I'm not defending the Code here, I should be clear. I think this problem is actually partly the FAULT of the Code in the first place, because plenty of pre-Code had sex and violence and still wrote interesting, developed women. Taking out so much for so long forced certain things to be stronger but also was often bizarre and it was almost inevitable that Hollywood would be a shitshow once the Code no longer had teeth. In summary, fuck Joseph Breen.)

Date: 2017-07-14 06:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
I tend to assume it's kind of a post-WWII redomestication of women sort of thing.

I associate it strongly with the 1950's, with exactly that kind of putting back into the box of women whose roles even before the war had been more varied and more active than the housewifely fantasy. It wasn't a return to the status quo. It was the fictionalization of something that never existed and saying things had been that way all along. [edit] You can track it starting almost as soon as the war is over, but it's still possible to find women even in films of the late '40's who have the kind of agency and narrative attention that I associate mostly strongly with pre-Code, screwball, and noir. I am much less familiar with the classic "women's pictures," although I have a general idea.
Edited Date: 2017-07-14 06:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-14 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
The 1950s, I'd wager.

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