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[personal profile] giandujakiss
I feel a teeny bit bad for Ryan Lochte. Not for the thing with the gas station - that was pure bro arrogance and he deserves what he gets.

But the false robbery report - he never intended that, he never sought attention, he never went to the cops. He just lied to his mom - which, to be fair, is something most people do at one time or another. And then suddenly it's an international incident. After that, I can't say I'd have behaved any better, under the circumstances. I mean yes, he should have come clean; but I imagine myself in that position, and I'm not sure I'd have had that strength.

Date: 2016-08-19 02:45 pm (UTC)
ratcreature: RatCreature is confused: huh? (huh?)
From: [personal profile] ratcreature
He didn't go to the police? I thought the whole problem is that they lied to the police about a robbery, and then started to contradict themselves after that gas station video cropped up? How does his mother come into this? (I haven't really followed this closely, it's not particularly big news here.)

Date: 2016-08-19 03:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ratcreature
Ah. The article I read here did not mention that. Awkward.

I guess I can see how you might call it "robbery" to be forced to pay on the spot by security guards for the bathroom you vandalized, when explaining things to your mother, when you don't want to admit to the whole vandalism bit...

Date: 2016-08-19 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
I wouldn't really give much of a shit about it -- from what I know, he didn't hurt anyone -- except the NYTimes is on that story like white on rice, and they constantly tweet out the URLs to the same couple of stories over and over again. Like they did with Michael Phelps, but worse. It drives me nuts, when there's stuff happening like the floods in Louisiana and the fires in California, and the fires in Portugal, the fallout from Brexit, the Russian hackers apparently determined to make Clinton look bad somehow....not to mention SOME of the mainstream media outlets are finally beginning to be actually critical of Trump, rather than just report breathlessly on him like he's something that escaped from a local zoo.

But every five minutes it's like HEY DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS THIRTYSOMETHING ATHLETE WHO ISN'T A LOT LIKE MICHAEL PHELPS? (because all the Lochte articles are at least half about Phelps) and I'm just like I have been pushed beyond mild apathy into flaming loathing here. Except I still don't even really care about Lochte, I just can't believe the media is wasting time on this. (Yeah, I know it's an international incident involving a popular swimmer during the Olympics, I just....it feels like so many things in the world are on a knife-edge right now.) -- Sorry for ranting, oops.

Date: 2016-08-19 05:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eva_rosen
As I understand the police bit is ALSO pure bro arrogance, because of white (male, sometimes, but in these cases not always) tendency to victimize themselves when they screw up not enterely realizing part of their privilege is that the world stops when a privileged person is the alleged victim of something, thus the investigation. Agree on being sick of the coverage when there's a lot of more important subjects. A simple "what a bunch of morons" would have covered nicely, and then move on.

Date: 2016-08-19 07:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eva_rosen
Exactly. A more pedestrian example: I have an uncle who's in the police, and once my cousin got caught in a public park having sex with her boyfriend. Now normally the officer who caught them would have fined them at worse or maybe just give them a warning, but BECAUSE she was his co-worker's daughter he took her to her house IN THE POLICE CAR, resulting in everyone in the neighbour wondering and finding out what'd happened before the week was over. Oops.

Date: 2016-08-19 10:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rheasilvia
But here's the thing. He is a grown man, not a 14-year-old boy, and he is a professional, Olympic athlete. Olympic athletes at the Olympic games are always representatives for their country, and he knows it. He's been through the PR briefings more than once. What he does at the Olympics reflects on his country.

He and his buddies (who all told the same lie) chose to be disrespectful, disruptive, disdainful and contemptuous towards their host country by his behavior at the gas station - and then they falsely accused fictional citizens of his host country of a crime against them. This humiliates Brazil, makes it seem like the crime rate is through the roof, makes it seem like they can't keep the Olympic athletes safe despite all of their security measures. It basically shines a big old spotlight at Brazil saying "look at these criminal, incompetent fuck-ups making a hash of hosting the Olympics and endangering the athletes' lives".

An incident like this - if it were true - shames the host country, and would have regardless of who the attacked athlete was. This is clearly something Lochte never thought of, and didn't give a fig about - but *he should have*. You can bet he's been *told* by PR. This was never going to go away quietly. He should have realized this lie would spread, and he should have stopped it the instant he realized it was spreading, rather than compounding the offense by trying to lie his way out (and evidently roping his buddies into lying for him).

Date: 2016-08-20 10:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] amnisias
The problem started with 4 US olympians getting drunk and 1 of them breaking down a locked door a gas station in Rio to use the rest room. That should not have happened. It went downhill from there, ending with Lochte abandoning his mates in Rio under police investigation. At the minimum he is naive, undiciplined and disloyal. Fabricating a story that included robberers that were 'posing as police men' is what escalated this to an internation incident.

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