SPN 10x23

May. 21st, 2015 12:16 pm
giandujakiss: (Default)
[personal profile] giandujakiss
Oh, show. You could have done so much better.

So obv. my hopes for a Charlie resurrection were unrealized, and it's such a direct dig at the fans that I'd be angry except for how the show has so deteriorated it's not worth my time.

(Although I notice that now that death is dead, any number of handwavey explanations could be used to bring her back.)

First, why were Sam and Dean fighting at the end? Because Death was afraid Sam would never stop trying to save his brother, therefore he had to die? It was so ... forced, so artificial, it was painful. I mean, I assume they wanted either a Cain and Abel vibe, or to mirror Swan Song, but either way, the narrative was so dramatically unworthy of the moment that the whole thing was just a random WTF. Especially since we've seen them fight, far more brutally, so this was absolutely nothing.

The Mark of Cain makes you a misogynist? Awesome, thanks for that, Show.

Oscar. Can we just take a minute to appreciate how much more powerful everything would have been if the writers had, I dunno, planned further in advance, and introduced Oscar way back earlier in the season? Because then there might have been real stakes. Imagine how awesome it would have been - Crowley makes a friend. Crowley has a confidant. This is a sign of Crowley's growing humanity. And then we suddenly discover - Crowley had an ulterior motive all the time! Oscar is not what he seems! But ... no. So Oscar was just a random guy, who we saw in one episode prior for 2 seconds.

(a minor point - as I understood it, Death felt Sam cheated death because they'd stopped him from sealing the gates? How about the time Dean literally brought him back from the dead? But no, we can't have any institutional memory longer than 2 years)

Oh, oh, also - there are three impossible things you need to get! All of which are introduced in this episode! Two of which will be obtained offscreen by a supernatural being with absolutely no consequences! Are they taking writing lessons from Steven Moffat?

Finally, it would be great if I thought Rowena succeeded in goading Cas into killing Crowley, but since Crowley's white male status protects him from such things (wasn't he supposed to be really evil now? I guess not), I'm pretty sure he'll be returning.

Oh, show. I'm not mad, just disappointed.

Date: 2015-05-21 04:39 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Although I notice that now that death is dead, any number of handwavey explanations could be used to bring her back

I was thinking maybe that could happen (didn't watch, just read spoilers), but the way Felicia Day is talking it sounds like she doesn't think they'll bring her back at all. Damn.

Date: 2015-05-21 05:07 pm (UTC)
aerye: (Default)
From: [personal profile] aerye
I was so disappointed. Admittedly, I went in with a bad taste in my mouth after seeing video of Bob Singer making a halfhearted effort at a pretentious and dismissive explanation of why Charlie was killed off ("we go where the story takes us"—as if writers and producers don't make choices)—and then the clip of "Carry On..." from Fan Fiction, like that's supposed to touch our little fan hearts. But even with low expectations I was disappointed. I think I actually recoiled when Dean made the remark about the murdered girl dressing like a whore. And killing Death? And unleashed darkness? Like the world hasn't been rife with darkness up until now and they already dealt with (unsurprisingly familiar) of the escape of the demons from hell?

And I'll bet my next paycheck that Crowley isn't dead.

Date: 2015-05-21 05:14 pm (UTC)
sothcweden: birds flying high at sunset/dawn (Default)
From: [personal profile] sothcweden
I almost feel like they're playing chicken with the fandom right now - "how much will you put up with?" I know that's projection on my part, but the most recent three eps left a bad taste in my mouth.

Date: 2015-05-21 05:29 pm (UTC)
aerye: (Default)
From: [personal profile] aerye
::g:: What's the saying? "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone after you?"

It does feel like they think they can just keep explaining this stuff away without consequence. And that more and more, they don't even bother to try to give a believable explanation. That video of Singer was downright pathetic.

Charlie was the final straw for me—if she had been resurrected last night, I might have reconsidered. But I'm done. I'm not sticking around in case maybe "when the story takes them there" they decide that killing off Death means they can resurrect her.

Date: 2015-05-21 05:09 pm (UTC)
sothcweden: birds flying high at sunset/dawn (Default)
From: [personal profile] sothcweden
My strongest feeling during the entire ep was fury at Dean's misogynistic comment, because it served no purpose and felt out of character for Dean. But the whole thing just didn't hold together at all for me. And hell yes, about Oscar. Oscar and Rudy were both disposable redshirts who could have been written so much more carefully.

Date: 2015-05-21 09:48 pm (UTC)
sothcweden: birds flying high at sunset/dawn (Default)
From: [personal profile] sothcweden
Fair point, that they didn't do a good job of separating evil!Dean from Dean. And back then I think I handwaved that he was speaking only of killing the WoB, rather than speaking of a general group. I've been rewatching some early seasons eps lately, and though I like the idea of characters actually changing over the run of a series, I don't like the direction they've taken here in the last few seasons, so fanon Dean is probably coloring my views.

Date: 2015-05-21 10:45 pm (UTC)
cathexys: dark sphinx (default icon) (Default)
From: [personal profile] cathexys
I said my goodbyes after Charlie's death but, like you, figured I'd see if they'd pull a bait and switch or figured something out. Seeing Dean and Sam become ever more ruthless, selfish, and unsympathetic and knowing that they are (as opposed to deluding themselves or just being naive) clinched it for me. I mean, it was bad storytelling and pacing but even more than that, I felt like it betrayed what the show battled for and against all these years. Like, the guys were never on the side of angels (ok, that wasn't a good expression in this context, but... :), but there was ambiguity and an attempt to have their motives be right. Now... I kinda don't wanna spend more time with them!

Date: 2015-05-21 11:42 pm (UTC)
serrico: Dean, you know you love our hockey talk. (spncanadiana)
From: [personal profile] serrico
it's such a direct dig at the fans that I'd be angry except for how the show has so deteriorated it's not worth my time.

Baaaaaaasically this, yes. If they hadn't already lost me with their terrible, terrible storytelling, half the writers' room's obvious contempt for their fans would've done it.

Date: 2015-05-22 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Mmmm. I basically stopped watching SPN after S3 (caught a few eps of S4) and have only ever rewatched the first two. Reading something like this... makes me think that was a good decision.


Date: 2015-05-22 12:51 pm (UTC)
killabeez: (sam john hug)
From: [personal profile] killabeez
Yes. Can you please go back in time and persuade my younger self to do the same?

Date: 2015-05-23 08:52 am (UTC)
45rpm: (Default)
From: [personal profile] 45rpm
I kinda loved Sam for poking Dean in the nose. It was such a desperate thing to do. It kinda adored the honesty of such a futile act. I wonder that both of them don't do more of that sorta throwing the wrench at the unfixable project type stuff. PLUS: I just like it when they fist fight since they're both the best ass-kickers on the show.

The last few moments were the most Supernatural.

Next season I'd like to see:

Dean watching "Doomsday Preppers" and tweaking things all season to update the bunker after it being busted into so easily. Images of shirtless Dean walloping a wall with a sledge hammer would be a true plot point.

Sam falling in love with someone 1) that won't get killed bc they are an ass-kicking genius 2) who isn't secretly evil or useless 3) who has a big thing for nerdy bookish sorts.


The Impala becoming a person ala Pam Grier for one episode and Dean falling madly in love. In the end, of course, she'd transform back into a car but just be even more sacred.

A playlist of all the fan fic tropes still unexplored as episodes and then a nice Butch & Sundance amiguous ending leaving room for periodic movies possibly.

Vince Gilligan or JJ Abrams or somebody else who understands how to manipulate me emotionally in ways more varied than 1) piss me off and 2) bum me out and 3) torture me!

What do you think?

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