giandujakiss: Whining

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giandujakiss) wrote,
@ 2011-08-12 07:51 am UTC

Entry tags:	vid recs, vidding, xmen
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Whining

So it's obvious to anyone reading that I've been smacked hard with the XMFC obsession for the time being, so of course I started on a vid, which is just incredibly frustrating because there isn't that much footage (even with all the movies included) and I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that by the time it's finished, pretty much everything that can be done with this footage will have been done already. (Honestly,

danegen pretty much said anything I'd want to say with Perfect Drug, which just leaves me breathless no matter how many times I watch it). And yet I can't stop myself. This is what addiction looks like.

Sigh.

Meanwhile, VVC posted the vid show listings and there's one new vid in one of the shows that - well, as far as I'm concerned, life has now frozen in place and will remain in stasis until that vid comes on line and I get to see it.

*chinhands*

Have fun, VVC people!

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	no subject ilthit 2011-08-12 12:46 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe use other material for the vid in addition, something that can look like the film but isn't actually in it? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-12 12:47 pm UTC (link)
	Sadly, it wouldn't really work with this concept. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject ilthit 2011-08-12 12:47 pm UTC (link)
	Or, come to think of it, material from the other three recent X-Men movies. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 6 comments) (Show 6 comments)

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giandujakiss
2011-08-12 12:49 pm UTC (link)

Oh, yes, I'm doing that, but so are plenty of other vidders. Even with it, there's not that much footage, especially if you're focused on Charles/Erik - which most vidders are. This is the thing with vidding - you can write stories and sure there are lots of patterns and similarities but there's no external constraint on what you can do. But with vidding, there are - and some people use outside footage brilliantly but for me, at least for this particular idea, I don't think it would be helpful.

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ilthit
2011-08-12 12:53 pm UTC (link)

Well, then I have no more advice. It's true that the material will be all used in other vids. You could still make it work by just making it shorter, but originality might be unachievable.

Man, I have this vid I have been thinking about for YEARS, but I never seem to get through fighting vidding apps far enough into actually making vids. I may need a better-performing PC. The problem is usually the very slow processing and difficulty with smoothly inserting and trimming clips. I realize a cheap free editor is never going to be Final Cut Pro or Avid, though, but I figure I'd just have to get myself to work at it long enough.

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	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-12 12:55 pm UTC (link)
	Well, the reason I began vidding was that I had several ideas for vids and when finally the pain of not seeing them realized grew to be too much to bear, I sucked it up and got a vidding program and figured out how to use it. Maybe the same thing will happen to you :-). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject ilthit 2011-08-12 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	I've had the urge often and tried it out, but when you've been working for three hours to clip a film and put together three clips and the whole thing crashes on you, you - or I - tend to give up for a while! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject tablesaw 2011-08-17 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	This is what is inevitably drawing me toward vidding as well. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-17 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	Careful! That definitely sounds like the first signs. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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ratcreature
2011-08-12 02:01 pm UTC (link)

But repetition of a good thing with just slight variations is one of the positive of fanworks, is it not? I mean, that it's been done before never stopped me from reading a h/c scenario for example.

You could also use comic art in your vid? Though maybe that would be jarring mixed with live action, I've only seen that in DC with comic art only vids.

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giandujakiss
2011-08-12 02:03 pm UTC (link)

Oh, sure, there's repetition, but it feels different in vidding where it's the exact same images, and juxtaposing the same images. It's an issue all vidders have to deal with in a popular fandom; it's just maginified where, instead of having several seasons of footage, you only have essentially four movies. And the comics wouldn't work for me - that's a different, more meta sort of statement, than what I'm going for (especially given my lack of familiarity with them). But some vidders do use still comic footage to great effect - like in the Lex/Clark Bad Romance vid.

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ratcreature
2011-08-12 02:15 pm UTC (link)

I don't think I've watched that SV vid. But then I watch very few vids. They so often leave me confused, and I like most the ones that are really clear and simple in their story telling. I mean, not some metaphor or meta or shipping or something, but like the constructed reality vids that have a plot you can follow.

The other kinds I can enjoy like abstract art in that I look and it creates an emotion and I either like it or not (which I think is awesome with abstract art, so I don't diss that), but with vids I get impatient, because it's several minutes of pictures and sounds with no obvious narrative I can piece together, whereas looking at painting only takes a moment for the effect.

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isagel
2011-08-12 02:04 pm UTC (link)

To be honest, from where I'm sitting, the perfect vid that combines the XMFC footage with the footage from the other movies has yet to be made. I keep waiting for something that will pull my heart out with the full scope of the Erik/Charles relationship as a life-long thing, but I've yet to see it. Mind you, I love the concept of the two of them more than I loved XMFC per se. But, yes, I do think there's more to be said, and I've no doubt you'll be saying at least some of it with your vid. So hang in there.

I keep vidding tiny fandoms, and that's marvellous because there is all this amazing footage that is untouched, that perhaps no one else has vidded and that isn't weighted down with the history of a hundred other vids. I love that. But then on the other hand, the end result is that no one watches the vids. So that sucks, too. It's a hopeless vidder's dilemma, I think. Probably the only solution to it is to simply vid what's in your heart and not think too much about what other people are doing. (Unless of course you want to directly address what other people have done.)

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giandujakiss
2011-08-12 02:07 pm UTC (link)

Mind you, I love the concept of the two of them more than I loved XMFC per se. But, yes, I do think there's more to be said, and I've no doubt you'll be saying at least some of it with your vid. So hang in there.

I hope so - but there are at least three or four more Erik/Charles vids coming out of VVC alone, as far as I can tell, and I know that one or two of them definitely use all the movies (possibly more). I'm sort of afraid - do I watch them, or no? I really want to see them- Erik! Charles! By awesome vidders! But what's seen cannot be unseen and I'll either be copying them or vidding around them (even if I had the same idea all by myself!). So it's a dilemma.

And yes, I know what you mean about the small fandoms. Made a couple myself, and it's definitely a great joy to express my love in this footage that's not overused, but then, there's only a very small audience for that.

And you're right - the solution, as I'm coming to terms with, is just to say - fuck it, this is my vid because I feel passionately about this song and these characters and I want to make it because I want to see it. But it's sometimes a tough mindset to maintain.

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isagel
2011-08-12 02:23 pm UTC (link)

*nods* Often when I write a new fandom for the first time, I don't want to read other people's fic, because I want to stick with that pure sense of the characters that is all my own. Which, because I'm such a slow writer, tends to mean that I miss the whole first wave of fannish excitement and I never read much fic at all. It's a trade-off, and I'm not sure it makes sense or is worth it. It seems to be how my brain works best, though.

It is a tough mindset to maintain - making a vid simply because it's what you want to make - but then the thing is, right now, there is this flood of X-Men vids, and some are good and some are crap, and many are in some ways very similar. But we're still in the first rush of OMG NEW FANDOM. It's only when the dust have settled on that that we'll know which vids are the great ones that will last. And that's not about how unique a vidder's use of any given footage is; it's about the artistic qualities of the whole, which is far more intangible. So, you know, I think all the vids are worth making, because you can't know until after the fact which ones are the keepers. If that makes any sense at all.

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	no subject mrkinch 2011-08-12 02:31 pm UTC (link)
	A drive-by to make certain that you'd seen this one. I know nothing about it except that I like it. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject mrkinch 2011-08-12 02:27 pm UTC (link)
	Not a vidder, hadn't previously thought about it, but frustration of one movie (or even the Charles/Erik moments from all four) is enormous. Where are six seasons of canon when you really need them? VVC? Someday I'll get there. waits with (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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giandujakiss
2011-08-12 02:29 pm UTC (link)

Not a vidder, hadn't previously thought about it, but frustration of one movie (or even the Charles/Erik moments from all four) is enormous. Where are six seasons of canon when you really need them?

Well, for the purposes of the fandom generally, it's helpful that there's decades of canon in the comics - and certainly lots of people are drawing on that canon in their fic. But yes, it's a problem for the fandom - I assume the same thing will happen that happened with Sherlock Holmes 2009 - there's this outpouring of fannish love and then it largely vanishes with the absence of new source. But! There will be another movie, and then there will be new fic.

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	no subject kore 2011-08-12 03:50 pm UTC (link)
	This is going to sound drippy, but I love your vids and the way you see things and cut them together so much, I'll be excited to see your XM vid no matter what. also I might just have watched this about twelve times in a row oh boy (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-12 03:51 pm UTC (link)
	Aww, thanks sweetie :-). And yeah, that scene is kind of incredible, isn't it? fluttery sigh (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

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cathexys
2011-08-12 08:28 pm UTC (link)

With kore. I want to see *your* version!

(was on vacation when danegen's came out and it's great, and i also really liked arefadedaway's that I recced recently, but I totally believe that yours will be different yet. Yes, we see the same scenes again, but the way they're cut and the way the music and lyrics reinterpret that scene and the way the scene reinterprets the music...

But then I'm all for repetition with a difference :D

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	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-12 09:32 pm UTC (link)
	[Error: Irreparable invalid markup ('<i.but>') in entry. Owner must fix manually. Raw contents below.] <i.But then I'm all for repetition with a difference :D</i> Hee, yes, of course :-). Well, I'm doing my best! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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some_stars
2011-08-12 03:59 pm UTC (link)

I'm working on two XMFC vids right now, although one of them is like 50% clips from the other movies (the other is maybe 20%). I haven't been watching almost any of anyone else's vids, and I know that by the time I can post them, hopefully in a couple months, all the footage will have been used to death...but it will feel fresh to me at least. Which is all I care about, really.

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	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-12 04:01 pm UTC (link)
	That is the mindset I am trying to adopt, but sadly, I am not as pure an artist. Also, I have been watching the other vids, because at first I was so sure I wasn't going to even try to make an XMFC vid. Famous last words. And the thought of intentionally not watching the ones I know will come out of VVC just kills me. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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eisen
2011-08-12 06:04 pm UTC (link)

Oooh, VVC's happening this weekend!

... that means it's time for my annual vulturing of the VVC community's rlist and flist to watch for when the premieres go up!

(Also, seconding

kore; even if I might feel all the footage has been used over and over again, I would watch your XMFC vid just 'cause you were the one making the vid, so. Not saying you have to do it, but I would definitely want to watch it if you do. :D)

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	no subject giandujakiss 2011-08-12 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	that means it's time for my annual vulturing of the VVC community's rlist and flist to watch for when the premieres go up! Heh, that's exactly what I do!! but I would definitely want to watch it if you do Thanks :-). It's definitely in progress; no idea what will happen. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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