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[personal profile] giandujakiss
Here is my spoilery (very spoilery, seriously, don't read unless you want to be very spoiled) but brief discussion:



It was a lot of fun, and obviously, any scene with Gal Godot or the Amazons just shone (shined?). Except for the backstory narrative thing, which dragged.

It was too long. Mostly because of all the talking men. So many men, who talked so much. Usually, in action movies my complaint is that there's too much action and not enough scenes of people interacting. Here, it's the opposite: Not nearly enough action scenes, and so very many talking men. Though I did like the talking men talking about genocide of Native Americans and racial discrimination. Otherwise, they could stop talking. Any time now.

Young Diana pretending to fight felt like a sly wink at every little girl who twirled in her living room pretending to change into Wonder Woman.

Steve Trevor was fridged for Diana's character arc! Which I love on a meta level, but am disappointed about because I like Steve Trevor and I like him with Diana, even if theirs is a doomed romance because she lives forever and he, well, doesn't. (Also, notice that men are fridged in an active-y way rather than a passive-y way, because they are Men).

Man, this plot is a lot like Captain America. Like, a lot a lot. Which was likely part of the reason why they moved it to WWI from WWII. (Are the Howling Commando substitutes from the comics, or was that just straight up stolen from Captain America?)

I am very uncomfortable with signaling villany via ugliness and/or scarring and/or disability (walking with a cane).

Okay, yeah. Possibly more later. Possibly not. My internet goes in and out.

Date: 2017-06-02 09:19 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: The words "Onyx" and "Lynx" with x superimposed (Default)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
According to IMDB, the "Howling Commando substitutes" were Blackhawks, a comic I barely remember and never read (they had blue or blue-black uniforms. I think.)

Damn, I may have to assemble all these comments and run them under a cut.

Date: 2017-06-02 10:44 pm (UTC)
musesfool: Wonder Woman against a backdrop of flames (walk through the fire)
From: [personal profile] musesfool
I enjoyed it a lot, though yeah, too much men talking, not enough Etta Candy. It was very Captain America, which is why I think they set it back in WWI, but I think that ended up working thematically very well.

Date: 2017-06-03 04:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] serrico
My sister and I spent a good chunk of post-movie conversation time comparing this to Cap. But whatever the reason TPTB chose WWI over WWII, I LOVED how well the WWI setting fit thematically and narratively with Diana's story--not only as a means to open her eyes re: the nature of humanity, but also as a contrast to her idea of The Nobility of Warriors. (Also, it's super neat that Diana's ideal of nobility in battle is the same ideal on which WWI was sold to the world. But while she actually believes in that ideal and honours it, all the generals and politicians use it as propaganda/justification to keep their war machine running. The beat where we get Diana's reaction to the one dude saying, basically, that the purpose of soldiers is to be cannon fodder: *chef fingers kiss* EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED FROM PUTTING HER IN THIS SETTING.)

Date: 2017-06-04 06:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monanotlisa
any scene with Gal Godot or the Amazons just shone

She was SO GOOD in this role; I'm still marveling (heh) at her charisma and the degree to which she embodies this role.

Mostly because of all the talking men. So many men, who talked so much.

Sigh. Yeah -- the war council geezers, the Evil Germans *eyeroll*, even our oh-so-lovable Howling Commandos...

disappointed about because I like Steve Trevor and I like him with Diana

Yes -- what is it with recent movies that have me really dig the m/f main romance and where the dude definitely dies in the end?

this plot is a lot like Captain America. Like, a lot a lot.

*g* It's better, in my eyes, a lot better (much as I love Steve).

I am very uncomfortable with signaling villany via ugliness and/or scarring

Yeah, that bothered me -- Doctor Poison and the Victim!Villagers were extremely one-sided female characters, unfortunately. Instead of Men Talking, we should have gotten some genuine non-disability motivation for Doctor Poison.

Date: 2017-06-07 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zahrawithaz.livejournal.com
Charlie not being able to fire the gun was part of him being permanently damaged by shell shock, and thus another challenge to Diana's initially simplistic ideas about warfare; he's one of the ways she realizes war and heroism are more complicated than she thought.

A more traditionally macho narrative would of course had him fire the gun in an important moment, but here the payoff was Diana's comment about "Who will sing for us?--her demonstrating her compassion and that she valued him as a whole person and not just a soldier.

I really have no problem at all about that entire thread being about Diana learning and responding to it.

Date: 2017-06-04 09:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] princessofgeeks
I guess I assumed that she had been scarred during her own experiments? But that part went by really fast. That was just my underlying assumption.

Date: 2017-06-05 01:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] neotoma
A character named Steve, played by an actor named Chris, has to destroy a plane full of weapons of mass destruction before it reaches its target...

...yup, they were totally riffing on CA:tFA there.

One of my favorite little bits of characterizations is Diana's "Oh, a baby!" because of course a baby would a be a wonder she's never seen before.

Also... this is a question I'm asking of people who've seen the movie -- when did you suspect he was Ares?

Date: 2017-06-05 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marycontrary
When he sent their team on deniable black ops after claiming to want peace. I mean, peace at any price is a bad keyword, but giving them money to go start a fight he claimed to want to end was a siren.

I did wonder for a bit if he was going to have two bodies, the German and the English.

Date: 2017-06-05 04:36 pm (UTC)
neotoma: My Glitch Avatar, with brown skin, purple hair, and cat ears (Glitch)
From: [personal profile] neotoma
Ooo... him being Sir Patrick *and* General Ludendorff would have been an interesting twist! Well, there's always fanfic for that.

Date: 2017-06-05 04:39 pm (UTC)
neotoma: My Glitch Avatar, with brown skin, purple hair, and cat ears (Glitch)
From: [personal profile] neotoma
Yeah, the scene where he forbids them to go to the gala had me go "oh, he's Ares" -- up until then he could just have been a politician practicing realpolitik.

htt

Date: 2017-06-05 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zahrawithaz.livejournal.com
Literally the instant we met him, I thought, "The guy talking about peace has to be Ares, because the general is definitely a fake-out and it would fit with the themes of what Diana needs to learn. Also, David Thewliss is a much better actor and they haven't wasted him on a nothing part."

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