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[personal profile] giandujakiss
Several episodes. Never saw it before. I am so conflicted.

I love the crafts aspect. I know nothing about fashion, but it's still fun to see what people come up with, and to have my own opinions on the aesthetics even if they differ from the judges' opinions. The episodes I saw also were relatively inclusive, in that they featured designers and judges of a mix of genders, orientations, races, and nationalities. I like that a lot.

But it really bothers me that there's an unstated presumption that fashion is for women - because women are decorative. (Have there been challenges involving male designs? It wouldn't surprise me, but the default, to the point where it's entirely unstated, is women). And that leads to this unfortunate dynamic where women models - called "girls" by everyone involved - are treated as furniture. It's the same models throughout the competition, and they never speak, I don't even know if we learn their names. They may as well be mannequins, and it's hard to watch the models sitting silently while everyone else around them comments on their hair, their makeup, and basically treats them as semi-sentient hangers.

Date: 2016-12-25 03:19 pm (UTC)
beck_liz: Tim Gunn - hmm (Tim Gunn)
From: [personal profile] beck_liz
There have been a few challenges involving male designs, but they were very few, very far between, and most of the designers end up complaining they don't have a clue how to design for men. And this was for the earlier seasons; since I haven't watched much in the last few years, I'm not sure if they've had any for men recently. Also, the times that the challenge is that the models aren't professional models, but, say, relatives, or "normal" people who need a new outfit or whatever, the majority of the designers don't seem to have a clue how to dress women who aren't slender, tall, professional models. So that's always annoyed me.

Date: 2016-12-25 07:10 pm (UTC)
peoriapeoriawhereart: very British officer in sweater (Brigader gets the job done)
From: [personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart
I'd think it'd be interesting for them to do a season with professional retired seamstresses, with mostly non-professional models.

Date: 2016-12-25 07:31 pm (UTC)
gwyn: (edna)
From: [personal profile] gwyn
It's not a better dynamic in that it's still decorative women, and thin, size zero women at that, but I'd say if you're interested in the crafting aspect, watch the first four or five seasons and skip everything after. I gave up after…7? Maybe? Or 8? I can't remember, but it had gotten so bad with producer interference of who they wanted the narrative to be about and have win that I just abandoned the show, especially since it had compromised Tim's integrity so much and he was my favorite thing about it. ANd I thought if I had to listen to the Michael Kors QuipBot3000 again I would spork my eyeballs--but then he left it and…Zac Posen came in? I think?

Anyways, in the early seasons, they picked a model for each episode, there was a whole thing about it, and Heidi's presence ws largely about the models and some judging--but the models were also out if they weren't selected. One season had a huge flaming meltdown, I think it was season 1, with one of the models in fact. The challenges were more interesting, there was way more emphasis on the creativity than the drama (not that there wasn't drama, oh boy did they amp that up, but you got to see them work on things way more than yammer about it and bitch at each other), and some of the designs truly were amazing.

Date: 2016-12-25 07:35 pm (UTC)
china_shop: Neal, Peter and Elizabeth smiling (Default)
From: [personal profile] china_shop
One of the things I really like about Face Off is that they sometimes (not always, but sometimes) treat the models like people (up to and including asking them to help finish some aspects of the costume, in some cases!). Also, there's a good diversity of them. Fwiw.

Date: 2016-12-26 02:23 am (UTC)
ivyfic: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ivyfic
There was a behind the scenes spin off about the models for at least one season, but yeah. You're not wrong. The fact that they'll have plus size challenges, as if plus size is some special unicorn and not the majority of women in this country, was what really got me.

Agree with gwyn--the first couple seasons are the best. I gave up when the judges' finale discussion was legit "well, I know this person is the best, but we chose someone like that last year, so they can't win." That was the point where I was like, if this is repetitive for the judges...I'm out.

May I recommend the first season of Make Me a Supermodel for a modeling show with both genders? And one where the producers clearly decided to play up the gay romance with the straight prison guard for ratings. It's ludicrous, but fun.(Not saying it didn't have issues, but lack of male models wasn't one.) I think it's on amazon.

Date: 2016-12-26 03:29 am (UTC)
saraht: "...legwork" (Default)
From: [personal profile] saraht
Season 1 is by far the most entertaining, if you can find it. By far.

The show's not unrealistic, in that women's fashion is far, far more lucrative and prestigious than men's. Season 1 has more on the models, but not as much as I think you'd want. If you really want models, then you have to turn to the insanity of America's Next Top Model, which also had a bizarrely entertaining first season.

Date: 2016-12-26 05:30 am (UTC)
arduinna: a tarot-card version of Linus from Peanuts, carrying a lamp as The Hermit (Default)
From: [personal profile] arduinna
I read somewhere that men's fashion is more time-consuming because you can't just whip up a circle skirt, or whatever. I think it's a crappy excuse, especially since many of the designers have made fitted pants and jackets over the years, but that's one of the underlying tenets, apparently.

The first few seasons were definitely more strongly about the models; we knew their names, we got to see them interacting more, model choice was a big factor in designer success, etc. Heidi had a lot of control, and she's all about making sure models get their due.

I largely stopped watching after the first few seasons (the switch to Lifetime was the show's death knell, IMO). Although there was one episode in a later season where the guest judge, an editor with Marie Claire (I think?), won my heart by demanding of all the designers "But how do you wear a bra with that? Women wear bras! I couldn't wear that!" <3

Date: 2016-12-29 05:35 am (UTC)
copracat: Karen Gillan as Jean Shrimpton knitting (Jean knitting)
From: [personal profile] copracat
There is a show called Great British Sewing Bee that is slightly more about sewing skills than design skills, though that is still very important. Two out of every three challenges are for dressmaker mannequins and one is for a human model, who might be, depending on the challenge, male, female, a child or a surprise friend/relative of the contestant. One of the lovely things is the little snippets of footage where the contestant and model interact with and create a relationship, particularly if the same model comes back for two or three challenges.

So, you know, if you want some of that, it's worth tracking the show down. Maybe BBC America? Also it's warm and funny and charming and delightful, and judge Patrick wears a suit divinely.

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